Cereal Grains and Cover Crops

Re: Cereal Grains and Cover Crops

Postby dbltree on Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:05 pm

I am one of those people that is a stickler for the truth, I am forever searching for it in the oft times murky waters of life. It's no surprise then that I am constantly testing something and doing so usually challenges things that many have been lead to believe.

If I am going to stick my neck out because I suspect deception or to disprove a myth I try to use care to make sure my tests are bona fida and with few flaws.

Even at that there will always be those who look upon my information with skepticism so I always encourage landowners to do their own testing and to continue doing so on an ongoing basis as their habitat goals and needs change.

There are some common mistakes that landowners make that often reveal there was indeed no "test" at all and just a perceived thought that something appeared to be better or worse.

One thing we commonly test for is deer preference or lack of it in various forages or varieties within a species and to do this fairly the test comparisons must be side be side and in multiples so that one is not placed on the outside next to a runway while the other is difficult to reach.

An example is corn and soybean test plots....farmers don't plant one hybrid on this side of the farm on rich black soil and another on a clay knob in the back 40. They pick a level fertile spot and plant identical length rows of each variety, fertilize and spray all the same and then harvest and weigh the crop all at the same time.

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I often hear people say "I planted WTI clover and Biologic clover and they were all in the Biologic field!"....That only means that they felt safe in that field not that they preferred a certain type of clover.

Both clovers need to be planted in side by side multiples in BOTH fields and then fields monitored with trail cams and observation of both the clovers (for grazing) and of deer feeding in the fields.

Some folks believe that fertilizing clover with nitrogen in the fall will make a difference so I tested that theory but found no difference in either the appearance, growth or grazing in my test plots.

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Deer have core areas where they feel safe and they will not travel far from bedding to feed if they don't have to...they are programed to not waste energy and they less they move the safer they are. It takes an extremely attractive food source such as standing soybeans in late December to actually draw deer from any distance so people would be naive to think that a certain clover, cereal or turnip might cause them to abandon all caution to feed on that food source.

Conduct your tests in multiple areas of your farm or property starting with the areas closest to their bedding areas and normal travel areas. Use stakes or flags to mark the different strips containing the test forage varieties or species.

This pic doesn't show the markers but you can see how I planted multiple strips of in this case BFO, Jerry, BFO, and Jerry oats (the Jerry is the lush green color)

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The two left strips were also mixed with rye and peas to give me further comparisons.

There are many variables that affect whitetails during a given year and from year to year yet I often hear people exclaim "I planted wheat one year and barley the next and deer definitely preferred the barley!"

That is an impossible statement to make and there was actually no test whatsoever even done. Factors such as a bountiful acorn crop one year and none the next or soybeans next door one year and corn the next all have dramatic effects on whitetails and their usage of any food source.

The size and location of plots or fields is a huge but usually overlooked factor yet often landowners observe dozens of deer in a 50 acre wheat field and then complain bitterly that deer don't like the oats in their 1/4 plot?

Doe groups like their space and will take advantage of larger fields where they can spread out and in doing so create a visual image that leaves a convincing image implanted in ones mind. The truth is though that if that wheat field was oats, or rye or barley...the same deer would be feeding there.

Test different forages on your property and observe the usage of two test comparisons side by side....not yours against the neighbors place.

Others don't even realize what they are saying when they mix multiple forages together and say "yep...they like A better then B or C"....so that means that B and C must be 2 foot tall in clumps all over the field correct??

Of course such is not the case and it is impossible to test a mix of forages against itself.

Testing with exclusion cages can sometimes be tricky unless the two plants are nearly identical in growth habits. Testing a tall ladino clover against a shorter white clover with cages would prove fruitless because one is naturally taller then the other.

Cereals are the same way because some oats have a taller growth stature, rye grows faster and taller then wheat and so on and so forth.

I observe the plants up close as getting down on my knees and examining the plants for evidence of grazing or lack of it. If deer actually preferred wheat over oats or rye or triticale then the test comparisons would quickly reveal that. In decades of testing however (with the exception of BFO) NEVER, not even ONCE have deer shown any preference to any cereal grain and grazing is across the board equal.

Then of course there are the thought trains that some "buck on a bag" seed has been specially "developed" and has some magical powers so I plant them ALL...side by side in multiple plots on multiple farms all 15- 20 miles apart and ALWAYS the results are the same. Deer eat them all or refuse to touch them all as this pic reveals where all the name brand brassicas were untouched.

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People are often under the illusion that mixing lots of "stuff" together will also increase the drawing power but that is rarely the case. It's a simple matter to plant oat, wheat and rye together and then plant strips of each in the center and see if they only eat the "mixed" areas.

Try rye alone, rye and peas, rye peas and oats in the same field and see if it makes any difference at all but you can NOT plant rye in a field by the road and rye and peas in a hidden plot next to a bedding area and expect that to be a fair comparison.

Test drought resistant clovers like Alice and Durana against well known "big buck brand" clovers and you will find out which ones are really the best.

Some things I know to be true in Iowa....acorns in October, freshly combined corn in November and standing soybeans in December trump ALL other crops or food sources! Those things play a huge part in any testing you may do and deer will walk thru cereals, clovers and brassicas all day long to get to those preferred food sources.

Heck...don't take my word for it, each of you have different habitat, deer, crops etc. so do some fair side by side testing of your own to help you make better choices for your whitetails and your budget....;)
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Re: Cereal Grains and Cover Crops

Postby dbltree on Sat Jul 31, 2010 7:03 am

While the following is my favorite fall mix....

I mix the following:

Winter rye 50-80#'s per acre (56#'s = a bushel)
Spring oats 80-120#'s per acre (32#'s = a bushel)
Austrian Winter Peas 20-80#'s per acre (4010 or 6040 field peas will work fine for 1/2 the price)
Red Clover 8-12#'s per acre or white clover at 6#'s per acre
Groundhog Forage Radish 5#'s per acre


Plant seeds roughly 1-2" deep, and then cultipack to cover, broadcast clover seed and re-cultipack

Plant fall grains no earlier then the last week of August through mid September, earlier is better when adding peas and clover


It's certainly not cut in stone and there are many variables depending on available seed and here a few other options to consider

100-150#'s of winter rye alone
6#'s white clover and/or 10#'s red clover


Peas are the componet that most people are not used to using....don't waste time worrying about if you should plant oats, rye or wheat...add peas and it's a moot point!!

100#'s of winter rye
50-100#'s of peas
6#'s white clover and/or 10#'s red clover


There advantages to adding oats and they can be added at a 60-40/50-50 or 40-60 ratio with rye

80#s of winter rye
80#'s oats
50-100#'s of peas
6#'s white clover and/or 10#'s red clover


For those that feel a mix of cereals is right for them...

50#s of winter rye
50#'s oats
50#'s winter wheat or winter triticale
50-100#'s of peas
6#'s white clover and/or 10#'s red clover


The mix I listed first works without fail on every farm I have planted on and only standing soybeans can compete with. Last year deer walked right thru standing corn to feed on the combination I plant!

It feeds deer literally year around!!

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and if some other combination of cereals worked better you can bet your boots I would be planting!

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Plant whatever combination works for you and your budget but a winter rye and pea combo is one thing that can compete with the neighbors wheat field.... ;)
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Re: Cereal Grains and Cover Crops

Postby ZH farms on Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:48 am

This is probably a very basic question, but I usually broadcast and cultipack everything. :?

Refering to your mix listed first, how do you plant something 1-2" deep without a drill? I am guessing I would broadcast onto a disced field then go over it again with the disk at a lighter depth. I have a pull behind disk, not a 3-pt. unit, so I cannot adjust the pressure of the disk at all without just leaving the "road wheels" partially down so the disk doesn't go as deep. Is there a better way to do this?

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Re: Cereal Grains and Cover Crops

Postby dbltree on Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:11 pm

disk at a lighter depth


Yes...that's all, or harrow or till or whatever one has to lightly cover the seeds. You can just cultipack and get by just fine but the cereal grain seeds can be covered deeper then the clover and radish seeds.

Nothing to get worked up about I just post the ideal planting methods and then one can adapt to whatever equipment you have to work with.

If discing won't work well for you...disc, broadcast the larger seeds, cultipack, then broadcast smaller seeds and re-cultipack... ;)
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Re: Cereal Grains and Cover Crops

Postby ZH farms on Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:21 pm

Thank you Sir.

12' pull behind disc, 7' cultipacker, 4' chain harrow drag for atv, truck, my back, what ever is available. :lol:

The 'crew' (brother, Dad, and friend) meets this weekend for a work weekend and to decide what to plant in this fields to salvage the planting season. I am going with the mix you listed first. My brother wanted to plant Antler King (Antler Rack? Something with a buck on the bag) seed because a friend of his is a dealer and he can get it at cost. I told him no because is was still twice what Welter's wanted for the same ingredients. My ground, my vote has more say. ;) He will still be happy because I know he wanted to plant oats, and I want winter rye, so this works great.

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Re: Cereal Grains and Cover Crops

Postby dbltree on Fri Aug 06, 2010 6:03 am

Folks often quibble over which cereal grain is best when in reality there is rarely any difference in attractivness between most common cereals and they completely miss out on the one element that virtually assures a plot full of deer...peas!

Austrian Winter Peas, forage or field peas such as 4010, 6040, Trapper and many others are absoutely candy to deer when they are young and tender in the fall. I have found I can plant up to 100#'s per acre with my winter rye and deer will lap them up like crazy!

This is ice cream to deer folks!

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Peas are the perfect way to adapt deer to using your plots early on and then the rye and oats will keep them there til the following spring! Cow peas would also work but they are beans rather then peas and will die at first frost.

Welter Seed, Albert lea and many local co-op's or seed and feed stores will carry peas....add inoculate (Welters carries it for 6 bucks) and mix the peas with your rye and oats. Plant the larger seeds roughly an inch deep, cultipack or cover and then spread smaller seeds like clovers and radish seeds and re-cultipack.

A drill works great but I usually broadcast them and lightly till, disc,, harrow etc. the seeds before cultipacking. In my case I use my tiller set so it just stirs the soil and seed while pulling the cultipacker behind...works perfectly! :geek:
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Re: Cereal Grains and Cover Crops

Postby dbltree on Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:31 pm

I usually till and plant the same day or close to it but with work and vacation this month I decided to get a leg up on planting fall cereals, peas and clover. Everything I'm planting rye was brassicas last and of course where I planted brassicas a month ago was rye and clover from the previous fall.

Simple crop rotation that allows me to have ALL the crops I want in the same fields every year...WITHOUT fear of disease and pest problems, yet providing awesome food sources year around.

I had tilled under the brassica plots this spring and planted annual clovers but with more then 2 feet above normal rainfall in SE Iowa in 2010 the annuals slowly began to drown out which of course allowed annual grasses to invade. I clipped in between rains and then sprayed the grasses with Clethodim although no more annuals then had survived I could have just nuked it al with Roundup.

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At least they were cleaned up before I plowed them

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While it's certainly not necessary to "plow" (discing or rotary tillers work fine) it is the option that works best for me. Stumps in an old pasture raise havoc with my tiller and plowing allows me to find them and go around them with the tiller. Plowing allows me to turn under organic matter and makes tilling with my old and worn out tiller much easier.

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A new tiller is somewhere around $1800-3500 so a $500 plow will get a few more years life out of my tiller and eventually drag up all the stumps.

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The freshly turned soil against the lush brassicas allows you to see the strips

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Why strips rather then just dividing the field?

Whatever works for each landowner but I find that strips in larger fields especially keeps deer from concentrating in one place and they tend to move from strip to strip always in search of a tender morsel better then where they are standing. In the same way as we keep our soils healthy, we want our deer herd healthy and keeping them spread out and moving is a good thing!

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If there is only one "block" of brassicas for instance deer may walk out, concentrate in it and decimate them early on. When planted in strips they feed there , move across the rye and peas, feeding there and moving on to the next brassica strip.

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In smaller areas I have one strip of each...here there is white clover on the left, brassicas in the center and rye/peas will be planted on the right.

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The clover will remain for a number of years but the brassica and rye/pea strips will be rotated each year. I plant red clover with the rye that will feed deer the following spring and summer as well as suppress weeds and fix nitrogen and then I will plow that under for the brassicas in 2011.

The brassica strips will be planted to annual clovers and oats next spring and that turned under for the fall rye planting.

No reason for any landowner to plant one field to one crop for years in a row and while I share the common 3 crop rotation of clover, brassicas and rye/peas...any number of crop rotations can be used. Corn, soybeans and clover/alfalfa for instance or the strips could have 4 or 5 crops, but the one I share is usually the easist and most practical for small plotters to use successfully.

In a few weeks I'll plant my favorite mix of winter rye, oats, peas, forage radish and red clovers and now that it's plowed it won't take me long to get it in the ground.... ;)
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Re: Cereal Grains and Cover Crops

Postby dbltree on Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:01 pm

I always incourage everyone to inoculate legume seed especially where that legume has not been previously grown. Where soybeans have been grown in the past 5 years for instance, inoculation is usually not required.

In the fall when planting peas and clovers quite often neither may have been grown there and while not imperitive, it is helpful if the seeds are inoculated.

Here's a good link that describes how and why to inoculate:

Inoculation of Legumes

Always check locally first but if all else fails here's a source where you can order it for less then 10 bucks

Inoculation Source

Not the end of the world if you don't get it put on but whereever possible it's advisable to keep your legumes healthy and attractive to whitetails not to mention the free N you gain as well... :way:
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Re: Cereal Grains and Cover Crops

Postby dbltree on Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:09 pm

This buck...grew up eating winter rye :way:

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This buck... grew up eating winter wheat :thumbDown:

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Ha! :lol: I am totally kidding of course and which cereal you plant isn't going to amount to a hill a beans difference in the quality of deer you harvest this fall. Bucks will have already done all the growing they will do for the year so cereals are merely an attractant to hold does in early fall and bucks after the rut.

Emphasis should always be on building safe secure bedding and feeding areas using native cover rather then thinking that planting this cereal or that will magically make the difference. Cereal grains can be an important part of a habitat program and rye does provide more positive benefits to both your deer and your soils and in the end can have a huge impact on your entire management plan if used in conjunction with other crops such as clover.

The cost of cereal grain seed is going to vary across the country but Welter Seed is a good place to check prices so you know if your being treated fairly down at the local seed and feed store.

At Welters certified oat seed runs $8-9 a 50# bag, winter rye is $10.90 and winter wheat is $12-17 (BFO is a whopping $32 a bag which translates to RIPOFF so buyer beware!)

It's time to plant...mine will be going in next week, roughly 75# of winter rye and 75 of Jerry and Frank oats along with 50#'s of 4010 peas, 4#'s of white clover, 6 of red clover and 5#'s of GroundHog forage radish. I'll spread 150#'s of urea and till it in, broadcast the larger seeds, lightly till in the cereals and peas, cultipack, broadcast the clover and radish seeds and cultipack again.

Then...I'm gonna put the tractor away, get out my bow and start dreaming about frosty October mornings... :way:

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Re: Cereal Grains and Cover Crops

Postby dbltree on Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:50 pm

September 1, 2010

Been workin' dawn to dusk since last week but got about 5 acres of fall cereals planted for myself and a couple friends, finished up just in time for an 1 1/2" of rain last night!

Normally one doesn't have to worry about wet soils when doing summer or fall plantings but this year has been from from normal here in Iowa with the 2nd highest recorded rainfall in 130 years! If you have heavy clay or clay loam soils like I do always make sure the soil is dry enough before planting.

Grab a handfull of soil or a clod and squeeze it...

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If it crumbles your good to go but if it sticks together better stir it up and let it dry out first

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I planted 75#'s per acre of winter rye

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75-100#'s per acre of Jerry and Frank Forage oats

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100#'s per acre of 4010 forage peas

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5#'s per acre of GroundHog, Tillage and Trophy radish (all the same seed but I planted them nonetheless) along with Alta-Swede Mammouth Reed clover seed.

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I mixed the rye and oat seed in my Earthway Bag Seeder and sowed that first, then the peas

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I spread 200#'s of 46-0-0 urea and then tilled the seed and fertilizer and grains in while pulling the culipacker behind

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Leaving a nicely firmed surface to broadcast the radish and clover seeds

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You can see how tiny the radish seeds are in this pic and clover seeds are again as small

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When the dust settled at the end of the day I had the makings of a soon to be lush cereal grain/pea plot!

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